No, the fact that he thinks she actually said that. That was sent out in a GOP email.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
PolitiFact | Texas GOP says Speaker Nancy Pelosi said people will know contents of terrible health-care plan after it passes
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No, the fact that he thinks she actually said that. That was sent out in a GOP email.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
PolitiFact | Texas GOP says Speaker Nancy Pelosi said people will know contents of terrible health-care plan after it passes
She actually did say it. Now, whether she meant to say something else, is one thing, but those were the words that came out of her mouth.
No it will not get voted on at all, they are going to vote on a bill of amendments and then "deem" that the actual bill was passed with never actually voting on it.
Hey dumbshit, you may want to watch the video in the link you posted. What happened to knowing what is in a bill and going to your constituents and discussing it and doing what the people in your district want you to do, since that is their job and function. It's not to go and do what you want because your so superior you know what is best for everyone. They know that the majority of the people don't want this horseshit as evidenced by all the town hall meetings where they were told overwhelmingly that it wasn't wanted.Quote:
No, the fact that he thinks she actually said that. That was sent out in a GOP email.
YouTube - Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
Go to the car dealership buy a car and leave it on the lot for 4 years while you make the payments and pay the insurance and everything else on it. Then after the 4 years is up you can go and drive it off the lot. That's your healthcare bill.
I am done with all this crap, I guess I should be like junior dipstick and feel I am entitled to everything and if not have to work for anything. If a person goes out and makes all the sacrifices and puts in all the work to better themselves and make themselves wealthy then by granny they should give me part of it so I can have what he has, he!l it's only fair.
Nah, she didnt say "terrible", according to a couple articles.
“But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”--thats the real quote
Terrible isnt what Im questioning. Its the we have to pass it to find out whats in it. As she puts it, its a fog and that fog should be lifted before something is passed IMO.
im not getting into you guys' pissing match, but when 55% of Americans feel it would be better to pass major reform, you cannot possibly say that Americans dont want health care reform.63% said they would support providing health-care coverage for all Americans, even if the government had to subsidize those who could not afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeast
Fifty-six percent said they supported a "public health insurance option" to compete with private plans. Fifty-seven percent support raising taxes on those with annual incomes over $280,000 to pay for the plan. Eighty percent said they would support a bill that required insurance companies to offer coverage to anyone who applies, even those with pre-existing medical conditions.
Read more: Health-Care Poll: Americans Support Obama's Reform Goals - TIME
so its not that Americans do not want health care reform, its teh exact opposite.
the new plan is rife with controversy, because both sides are trying too hard to embarrass and look down on the other, instead of trying to come to a compromise that would help everyone.
oh, then yeah the quote is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
its pretty stupid, that she would say something like that.
but congress and the senators and stuff have made it so impossible to get teh truth out of anything, i dunno what to believe. the GOP is doing their absolute best to create a huge mess and consider anything the dems do wrong, while the dems are doing their best to make the GOP look like they are against everything.
one more point on beast's post:
On health care, 46 percent say it would be better to pass the president?s plan and make changes to the nation?s health care system, versus 45 percent who would prefer not to pass it and keep the system as it is now.
Public split on support for health care bill - Politics- msnbc.com
So to say that most Americans are against the bill is factually wrong.
Reading some stuff on FactCheck earlier showed that is basically 43-43 with some undecided on health care reform. It is a pretty even deal.
I do want to say I will be fiercely disappointed if the bill is passed with all of these special deals for certain states (which Nelson is now trying to get taken out for Nebraska). If they allow that, then I am terribly disappointed in all of our representatives in this state that voted for it. If Webb and Warner voted for it, they will never get a vote from me again, because why didn't they do all they can for the state of VA if everyone else is doing it. Same goes for Boucher, although he has said he is voting against the bill.
“the Democrats have to pass their terrible health care bill so that the American people can actually find out what's in it.”Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Is not the words that came out of her mouth, did she say that about finding out what's in the bill? Yes, but what he quoted was never said. Now did she put it in a stupid way with her actual quote? Yup.
Wrong. It's voted on in the House, sent to the Senate to be tweaked and voted on and while normally it would be sent back to the House for another vote...the Senate would deem it approved by the House, then send it to Obama. It's going to be voted on, stop lying. How can you even claim this bull when it's going to be voted on this week?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeast
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Originally Posted by TheBeast
Did you watch it? Because it doesn't say what you said she did, you got caught lying again. Even by using what she said, she obviously meant that by getting it passed, the people would know what's in it...because it would be going into effect and people could see, you're trying to make it seem like she meant we would only know the text of the bill.
People want reform, people aren't thrilled about this bill because it lacks a public option, which the people wanted. The public wants healthcare reform, they want the option, your denial doesn't change that. Don't even try to compare the idiots at the town hall meetings to majority of public opinion.
Wrong, you're trying to make it look like every part of the bill doesn't take effect for 4 years, when only some parts of the bill won't take full effect until 2014. Read a little something other than your rightwing sites and to whatever Beck said the day before.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeast
Health Care 101: A consumer primer on Obama's bill - Yahoo! News
There is some major things the bill will do, from Yahoo
You're full of shit, as usual. Your little argument isn't realistic or how things happen in the real world, full of idiotic assumptions and generalizations, wouldn't expect anything less from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeast
Did you even read what I have said above.